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Title
September
15
,
1794
'Substance
of a
conversation
between
the
Bishop
of
Lincoln
and
myself
at
Buckden
Palace
.
Sept
.
15
,
1794'
Post Date
September
15
,
1794
Author
Kilvington
,
Edward
(fl
.
1793)
Date
1794-09-15
Physical Description
4
pp
.
total
;
4
pp
.
text
Dimensions
21.39
x
33.02
cm
Location (Box, Folder)
Box
3
,
File
26
Address From
Buckden
Palace
,
Huntingdonshire
Country From
England
Transcriber
Gareth
Lloyd
Plain Text Transcription
From
Edward
Kilvington
[at
Fenstanton
near
St
Ives
,
Huntingdonshire
, to
T.H
. at
Aldwincle]
–
‘Substance
of a
conversation
between
the
Bishop
of
Lincoln
and
myself
, at
Buckden
Palace
(official
residence
of the
Bishop
of
Lincoln)
.
September
15th
1794’
The
bishop
[George
Pretyman
Tomline]
started
the
conversation
by
saying
that he
supposed
that
Kilvington
was here
concerning
the
curacy
at
Fenstanton
. He had
received
complaints
that
Kilvington
performed
‘divine
service
in an
enthusiastic
manner
, not
only
by
Mr
Cowling
, but by
several
others
also,
who
were
better
judges
than
he.’
In
such
a
case
,
Tomline
could
not
allow
the
minister
concerned
to
remain
in this
diocese
, but he was
prepared
to
hear
Kilvington’s
defense
.
Kilvington
replied
that he was
sorry
to have
incurred
the
bishop’s
displeasure
but
did
not
conceive
that he had
done
anything
that
could
justify
dismissal
. He
went
on to
say
“that
there are
my
Lord
,
undoubtedly
,
many
pious
and
well-meaning
persons
,
who
have
acted
irregularly
and
may
be
enthusiastically
inclined
, but
I
believe
that in
general
I
have been
thought
of
very
differently
, as
being
of a
grave
rather
than an
enthusiastic
turn….”
He was
willing
to
give
the
bishop
all
the
reassurances
that were in his
power
,
either
by
responding
concerning
points
of
doctrine
or by
presenting
all
his
sermons
before
him.
Kilvington
also
urged
the
bishop
to
enquire
of him from the
Bishop
of
Gloucester
and
reminded
him of the
testimonial
from
Dr
Elliston
.
Tomline
said
that he had
no
doubt
concerning
Kilvington’s
moral
character
‘but
that he
must
believe
I
had
acted
in an
enthusiastic
manner.’
Kilvington
argued
that were
it
not the
case
that
sometimes
people
were
misrepresented
as
enthusiasts
. The
bishop
denied
that he
knew
of any
person
who
was
undeservedly
given
the
label
of
enthusiast
and were there not
families
in the
parish
who
stayed
away
from the
church
because
of
Kilvington’s
conduct
?
Kilvington
denied
that
such
was the
case
,
except
for
Mr
Cowling
who
always
been
very
irregular
in his
attendance
and had
recently
stayed
away
completely
. The
bishop
also
asked
if there were
people
from
other
parishes
who
attended
Kilvington’s
services
and he
admitted
that
many
from the
parishes
of
Drayton
and
St
Ives
did
attend
, but not at his
invitation
or
because
of any
measures
adopted
by him with the
aim
of
attracting
outsiders
. The
bishop
then
challenged
him with the
recent
application
to
expand
the
seating
capacity
.
Kilvington
accepted
that this was the
case
, but that the
late
churchwarden
(Cowling’s
colleague)
had also
raised
the
possibility
of
incorporating
some
more
benches
into the
chancel
,
which
part
of the
church
was
‘separated
from the
rest
by
glass
doors
and
windows.’
Tomline
then
asked
if
parishioners
had not been
deprived
of their
seats
because
of the
influx
of
people
from
outside
the
parish
and had they not
complained
of this
inconvenience
?
Kilvington
answered
by
saying
that he had
never
heard
of any
person
‘holding
pews’
(people
who
rented
a
pew)
being
deprived
of their
places
and had not
received
any
complaint
from
anyone
whatsoever
.
Tomline
then
charged
him with
allowing
other
people
to
officiate
despite
the
bishop’s
injunction
against
the
practice
.
Kilvington
denied
the
accusation
and
stated
that he had
even
abandoned
a
planned
journey
to
Yorkshire
in
order
to
abide
by the
bishop’s
mandate
.
Through
this
abandonment
, he had been
denied
the
opportunity
of
introducing
to his
relations
the
young
woman
who
has
recently
become
his
wife
.
Tomline
asked
if he had
intended
employing
anyone
during
this
absence
? The
bishop
has
heard
that
Kilvington
has a
very
‘enthusiastical’
acquaintance
and if
such
persons
were
allowed
to
operate
in the
churches
,
it
would
give
offence
.
Kilvington
replied
that he would have
avoided
employing
anyone
that
could
cause
such
a
problem
. The
bishop
asked
if
Kilvington
conformed
rigidly
to the
liturgy
? He
replied
that he
did
and that was from
principle
. Was
Kilvington
in the
habit
of
using
one
of the
collects
before
the
sermon
, as
is
the
general
custom
? He
answered
that he
did
sometimes
but
more
often
varied
the
form
–
however
if that
is
something
on
which
Tomline
felt
strongly
, he would
abandon
the
practice
. The
bishop
said
that he
must
have a
general
custom
followed
throughout
the
diocese
. He then
asked
concerning
singing
?
‘I
told
him that
it
was
our
custom
to
sing
always
one
psalm
and
one
hymn
; that
I
had
brought
with
me
in
my
pocket
, the
small
collection
of
psalms
and
hymns
in
use
amongst
us
(and
which
had been
originally
published
by
Mr
[Charles]
Simeon
for his
own
church
in
Cambridge)
and that
I
submitted
it
very
readily
to his
Lordship’s
perusal
. He
said
that he
objected
in
toto
to the
use
of
hymns
as
unauthorized
and if he were to
continue
my
continuance
at
Fenstanton…he
must
insist
upon
them
being
laid
aside
. How
often
he
said
, are
you
in the
habit
of
singing
?
I
replied
twice
during
the
service
and
occasionally
once
more
after
sermon
; to the
custom
of
singing
after
sermon
, he
said
, he should
undoubtedly
object
, as
only
the
practice
of
enthusiasts
. He
could
allow
nothing
at
Fenstanton
, but
which
was
usual
in the
neighboring
churches
and there was not a
church
in the
county
where
such
a
custom
obtained
,
except
the
minister
was
enthusiastic
–
who
is
that
gives
out
psalms
and
hymns
?
I
answered
, the
clerk
–
NB
upon
reconsidering
the
reply
which
I
had
made
to his
Lordship’
several
queries
.
I
found
it
necessary
to
explain
myself
further
respecting
this,
I
sent
therefore…to
Buckden
a
letter
of
which
the
following
is
a
copy
-
My
Lord
,
I
am
sorry
to
find
upon
recollection…that
I
may
very
possibly
have
led
your
Lordship
into an
error
by the
answer
which
I
gave
to
one
of
your
questions
concerning
the
singing
.
You
enquired
who
it
was that
gave
out
the
psalms
and
hymns
to the
congregation
and
I
remember
that
I
gave
without
hesitation
, the
clerk
.
I
forgot
at the
time
to
mention…that
I
myself
have been in the
habit
of
giving
out
the
hymn
when
we
have
sung
one
after
the
sermon
, but at that
time
only
, and that
it
was not
our
custom
to
sing
at
all
after
sermon
but
when
the
service
was in the
afternoon…’
Returning
to the
subject
of the
audience
with the
bishop
.
Tomline
said
that
it
was
difficult
to
prove
whether
or not
someone
was an
enthusiast
, but in
circumstances
such
as these, he
needed
to
know
if
Kilvington
would
agree
to the
following
conditions
of his
remaining
in the
parish
:
1.Abandonment
of the
use
of
hymns
altogether
.
2.‘Confining
the
congregation
to
twice
singing
only’
(singing
psalms
only)
Kilvington
agreed
as he
considered
these
above
points
to be
non-essential
. The
bishop
then
asked
about
his
manner
of
preaching
–
whether
it
was by
memory
with the
help
of
notes
, or
delivered
from a
prepared
text
.
Kilvington
responded
that
during
the
first
part
of his
time
in the
parish
, he had
used
written
sermons
, but had
recently
used
notes
only
and
showed
him an
example
that he had
preached
on the
text
“our
conversation
is
in
heaven.”
(Philippians
3:20)
Tomline
examined
it
with
great
care
and then
said
that he
must
object
to
Kilvington
preaching
in that
manner
because
‘it
might
be
possible
even
from
some
of these
heads
to
speak
enthusiastically
and that
it
was a
mode
of
preaching
,
which
none
but
men
of an
enthusiastical
nature
adopted.’
The
bishop
challenged
Kilvington
to
name
one
ex-student
of
Cambridge
who
preached
in this
manner
who
was not an
enthusiast
.
Kilvington
argued
that
while
it
was the
custom
of
‘enthusiasts’
to
preach
extempore
,
it
was
still
possible
to
preach
that
way
and not be an
enthusiast
and he
cited
one
of
Kilvington’s
own
relations
as an
example
-
[Thomas]
Robinson
of
Leicester
,
who
the
bishop
must
acknowledge
to be a
man
of
solid
and
judicious
piety
.
Tomline
accepted
that
Robinson
was
indeed
a
pious
,
worthy
and
sensible
man
, but he
did
nevertheless
have the
reputation
of
being
an
enthusiast
. The
bishop
then
demanded
to
know
if
Kilvington
would
consent
to
preach
only
from a
prepared
text
as a
condition
of him
remaining
in his
parish
?
Kilvington
replied
that he had
found
great
comfort
in
preaching
extempore
,
having
suffered
much
from a
complaint
in his
eyes
that had
resulted
in
very
painful
surgery
and as a
result
had been
advised
to
avoid
writing
wherever
possible
.
Tomline
stated
that he would be
satisfied
with
nothing
less
than
Kilvington’s
compliance
in this
matter
and
Kilvington
therefore
felt
that he had
no
choice
but to
agree
. The
bishop
said
that he was
hopeful
that
Kilvington
could
be
recovered
from
enthusiasm
, but that if he
continued
‘in
the
way
you
have
set
out
,
you
may
be
followed
and
admired
by
people
of a
certain
class
, but
you
will
lose
the
good
opinion
of
all
respectable
persons
and
forfeit
all
hopes
of
advancement
in
your
profession
,
which
you
may
properly
look
forward
to. As to
preaching
,
you
must
there
indeed
be
left
to
your
own
discretion
but
I
hope
you
will not
abuse
it
.
I
would
wish
you
to
preach
with
earnestness
indeed
, but
take
care
that
you
avoid
all
rambling
.
You
will
remember
that if
I
hear
complaints
in
future
(admitting
that
you
are
suffered
to
stay)
I
shall
certainly
then
remove
you
; and that
it
is
in
my
power
not
only
to
exclude
you
from this
diocese
, but by
writing
to
all
the
rest
of the
bishops
,
every
other
also…’
The
bishop
then
dismissed
him,
saying
that he would
write
concerning
his
decision
very
soon
after
he had
made
further
enquiry
concerning
Kilvington
.
(1
sheet
,
4p.)
15
September
1794
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